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	<title>Comments on: Reviews of Karkowski/Dickson concert in Shenzhen (updated regularly)</title>
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		<title>By: Global Noise Online &#187; Zenlu live @ OCAT, Feb 25, 2006 available for free</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Noise Online &#187; Zenlu live @ OCAT, Feb 25, 2006 available for free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] According to Altmusic, the first track of the EP is the live recording of his 17 mins on the Zbigniew Karkowski/Li Chin-sung concert at OCAT, Shenzhen, Feb 25, 2006. (Photos and reviews of the concert here.) The second track will be used by Li as sound material for his next album. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] According to Altmusic, the first track of the EP is the live recording of his 17 mins on the Zbigniew Karkowski/Li Chin-sung concert at OCAT, Shenzhen, Feb 25, 2006. (Photos and reviews of the concert here.) The second track will be used by Li as sound material for his next album. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Wenhua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wenhua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for kid ... 
that's fine. maybe you should join "Laptop for Every Kid
 " project , here is the link http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,69615-0.html?tw=wn_politics_3
your loop will be a bigS hit for that.

about the name: 
first of all, you switch  the core (heart) of "da fu ji". how can you keep their names. 
basically, you 're stealing and cheating.
i suggest you change the name to 装神，弄鬼 （zhuang shen or nong gui), or just FM3.  that 's the only way to clearify your non-buddha (anti-) action.

who:
I guess that you want to see some numbers. how about a voting post for FM3.
the title: FM3 loops are Lame or not?
1, Lame
2, Lamer
3, Lamest 
4, Not of above
people can vote !!

OK. after all, you should thank me to give you a lot of time for a publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for kid &#8230;<br />
that&#8217;s fine. maybe you should join &#8220;Laptop for Every Kid<br />
 &#8221; project , here is the link <a href="http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,69615-0.html?tw=wn_politics_3" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,69615-0.html?tw=wn_politics_3</a><br />
your loop will be a bigS hit for that.</p>
<p>about the name:<br />
first of all, you switch  the core (heart) of &#8220;da fu ji&#8221;. how can you keep their names.<br />
basically, you &#8216;re stealing and cheating.<br />
i suggest you change the name to 装神，弄鬼 （zhuang shen or nong gui), or just FM3.  that &#8217;s the only way to clearify your non-buddha (anti-) action.</p>
<p>who:<br />
I guess that you want to see some numbers. how about a voting post for FM3.<br />
the title: FM3 loops are Lame or not?<br />
1, Lame<br />
2, Lamer<br />
3, Lamest<br />
4, Not of above<br />
people can vote !!</p>
<p>OK. after all, you should thank me to give you a lot of time for a publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Noise Online &#187; Something&#8217;s going on in the comments</title>
		<link>http://www.chinesenewear.com/gno/2006/02/26/reviews-of-karkowskidickson-concert-in-shenzhen-updated-regularly-2/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Noise Online &#187; Something&#8217;s going on in the comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This usually comment-free blog has seen a surge of discussion lately, do read Christiaan Virant (ID: zhao)&#8217;s defense of FM3 and Buddha Machine as well as the bicker about randomness/control in laptop performance between him and Zbigniew Karkowski (ID: zbigniew) here. Also not to be missed is this &#8220;what is a valid Global Ear article (on The Wire)&#8221; discussion. And perhaps now it is helpful to remind you, dear readers, that there is a feed for the comments of GNO available for subscription. The URL of the feed is: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] This usually comment-free blog has seen a surge of discussion lately, do read Christiaan Virant (ID: zhao)&#8217;s defense of FM3 and Buddha Machine as well as the bicker about randomness/control in laptop performance between him and Zbigniew Karkowski (ID: zbigniew) here. Also not to be missed is this &#8220;what is a valid Global Ear article (on The Wire)&#8221; discussion. And perhaps now it is helpful to remind you, dear readers, that there is a feed for the comments of GNO available for subscription. The URL of the feed is: [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: zhao</title>
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		<dc:creator>zhao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"My 7- month- old son loves “hide-and- seek” loops, is your taget audience among that age?"

actually. YES! for at least 3 years, zhang jian and i have told reporters that we make music for "young kids and old people."  

at the louvre in paris, our audience was mostly old french people. they were some of our favourite shows over the past few years. 

and some of our biggest fans are parents who gave their children buddha machines as toys. it exposes young children to music that is not normally considered "mainstream" and it introduces kids and parents to new ideas about how we consume sound... 

"laziness for three years"

i dont understand this... why three years? if you mean the history of FM3. then its six years since we started. 

"But, indeed, many people disagree with you."

who for example?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My 7- month- old son loves “hide-and- seek” loops, is your taget audience among that age?&#8221;</p>
<p>actually. YES! for at least 3 years, zhang jian and i have told reporters that we make music for &#8220;young kids and old people.&#8221;  </p>
<p>at the louvre in paris, our audience was mostly old french people. they were some of our favourite shows over the past few years. </p>
<p>and some of our biggest fans are parents who gave their children buddha machines as toys. it exposes young children to music that is not normally considered &#8220;mainstream&#8221; and it introduces kids and parents to new ideas about how we consume sound&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;laziness for three years&#8221;</p>
<p>i dont understand this&#8230; why three years? if you mean the history of FM3. then its six years since we started. </p>
<p>&#8220;But, indeed, many people disagree with you.&#8221;</p>
<p>who for example?</p>
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		<title>By: Wenhua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wenhua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TBC. here we talk about your (fm3) simple loops.

second, when you mention those "Classical" stuff, where is your Post modern, modern or avant garde value system standing? It's fine that your idea of music is nothing but loops. But, indeed, many people disagree with you. 
Please do not use the old theory or samples to justify your laziness  for three years. This is the worst excuse. 

My 7- month- old son loves "hide-and- seek" loops, is your taget audience among that age?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TBC. here we talk about your (fm3) simple loops.</p>
<p>second, when you mention those &#8220;Classical&#8221; stuff, where is your Post modern, modern or avant garde value system standing? It&#8217;s fine that your idea of music is nothing but loops. But, indeed, many people disagree with you.<br />
Please do not use the old theory or samples to justify your laziness  for three years. This is the worst excuse. </p>
<p>My 7- month- old son loves &#8220;hide-and- seek&#8221; loops, is your taget audience among that age?</p>
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		<title>By: lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clearing things up, Lao Zhao. I guess this is much more convincing than the futile attempt I made via telephone, ha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clearing things up, Lao Zhao. I guess this is much more convincing than the futile attempt I made via telephone, ha.</p>
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		<title>By: zhao</title>
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		<dc:creator>zhao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice one re your mum!! did you explain that it was not a "fuck you" to you but a description of a quality i find desirable in people. its a good thing! 

re ZK. i guess i can only admit that i made a comment based on incomplete information. the few times i have seen ZK, he did have computer problems. add to that the blog comments about his computer failing, and i made a comment based on my empirical knowledge and lawrence's observations. perhaps the sample group was too small, as ZK says he has only had around 5 failures in 100 gigs.  nevertheless, his belief that i dont know performers who take risks with their equipment is just completely off base...

its good to have the actual artists comment about their own work on forums such as this. no subsitute for first-hand opinion from the artist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice one re your mum!! did you explain that it was not a &#8220;fuck you&#8221; to you but a description of a quality i find desirable in people. its a good thing! </p>
<p>re ZK. i guess i can only admit that i made a comment based on incomplete information. the few times i have seen ZK, he did have computer problems. add to that the blog comments about his computer failing, and i made a comment based on my empirical knowledge and lawrence&#8217;s observations. perhaps the sample group was too small, as ZK says he has only had around 5 failures in 100 gigs.  nevertheless, his belief that i dont know performers who take risks with their equipment is just completely off base&#8230;</p>
<p>its good to have the actual artists comment about their own work on forums such as this. no subsitute for first-hand opinion from the artist.</p>
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		<title>By: lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't mind swear words at all, in fact I use them a lot myself. But just now my father called to inform me about my mum's worry:

"Why did the guy named 'zhao' say 'fuck you' to you, did you do something bad to him?"

^_^

(DISCLOSURE: My mum, contrary to most of the Chinese people of her age, is not only English-literate but also quite geeky - she knows DOS commands and used to be in the IT business for almost 10 years.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind swear words at all, in fact I use them a lot myself. But just now my father called to inform me about my mum&#8217;s worry:</p>
<p>&#8220;Why did the guy named &#8216;zhao&#8217; say &#8216;fuck you&#8217; to you, did you do something bad to him?&#8221;</p>
<p>^_^</p>
<p>(DISCLOSURE: My mum, contrary to most of the Chinese people of her age, is not only English-literate but also quite geeky - she knows DOS commands and used to be in the IT business for almost 10 years.)</p>
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		<title>By: zhao</title>
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		<dc:creator>zhao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I HATE loops and people who use buddha or god’s name."

so you hate most music then? rock, classical and western traditional music, african drumming, indonesian gamelan and even traditional chinese composition is nothing but reptitive loops. long or short, most classical compositions are a loops. rock drumming and guitar work is a loop. african and indian percussive work is easily recognisable as a series of evoloving loops. all the songs i play on gu qin are long drawn out loops with codas and repeated motifs...

nothing wrong with hating most music. i have many friends who hate most all "composed" music and only listen to hardcore improv. but most people who profess a hatred of "loops" fail to realise that the vast majority of music, like breathing, is a repetitive act. 

so if a chinese person uses a Chang Fo Ji (or nian fo ji, if you from the south) do you hate that device, or only if its name is translated into english? or do you hate the use of the name buddha in a marketing context? what if its a traditional herbal cure / tea called Fo Shou? or a chinese resturant called Fo Ta Qiang?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I HATE loops and people who use buddha or god’s name.&#8221;</p>
<p>so you hate most music then? rock, classical and western traditional music, african drumming, indonesian gamelan and even traditional chinese composition is nothing but reptitive loops. long or short, most classical compositions are a loops. rock drumming and guitar work is a loop. african and indian percussive work is easily recognisable as a series of evoloving loops. all the songs i play on gu qin are long drawn out loops with codas and repeated motifs&#8230;</p>
<p>nothing wrong with hating most music. i have many friends who hate most all &#8220;composed&#8221; music and only listen to hardcore improv. but most people who profess a hatred of &#8220;loops&#8221; fail to realise that the vast majority of music, like breathing, is a repetitive act. </p>
<p>so if a chinese person uses a Chang Fo Ji (or nian fo ji, if you from the south) do you hate that device, or only if its name is translated into english? or do you hate the use of the name buddha in a marketing context? what if its a traditional herbal cure / tea called Fo Shou? or a chinese resturant called Fo Ta Qiang?</p>
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		<title>By: zbigniew</title>
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		<dc:creator>zbigniew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my last comment to this thread.
First of all reading again the review of concert in Shenzhen (original post of Lawrence) I think that his description is not really accurate. My solo set was perfect for me - I did not have any problems with my computer or anything. But I had problem in my collaborative set with Dickson - my computer just stopped playing - location module error (could not find sound manager). It has got nothing to do with my patch. Just some spooky system error - these things sometimes happen and nobody can explain why.
Generally I must say that I have computer crashes on maybe 5 out of each 100 concerts I do and I think this is a very good ratio. Actually if I count all the sets (solo and collaborations) - I did something like 30 concerts in China until now and had problems with my computer only 2 times. It is uncorrect to say that brevity of my sets is caused by my computer - it's bullshit - brevity of my sets is caused by my decisions. I do crash sometimes because I always do things in real time on stage and when one does it, ONE TAKES RISKS. I think that maybe Christiaan does not have much contact with people who are willing to take risk in concert situations. The big problem with all laptop performers now is that 99 procent of them play only soundfiles (pure playback) which is totally safe and totally boring. They do not even need to be onstage - could just as well send cd and have somebody press play button on cd player. These playback musicians do not need to perform with computers at all because the only thing they use on computer is space bar. If you gonna go and hear some people who do things onstage with computers In Reak Time (like Peter Rehberg, Florian Hecker, Kasper T Toeplitz, Helmut Schaeffer etc) you will see some crashes. It is just inevitable.
Finally - my processor is 500 MHz fast and all my patches are designed for this speed. If I had G4 with 1.6 Gigaherz processor I would ask programmers to develop patches for this speed. So using newer and faster machine absolutely does not reduce any risk. In fact my old G3 has much less crashes then many of my friends who use latest G4 models. I just do not think Christiaan that you understand these things and you should not comment on something you do not understand. It is quite ignorant attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my last comment to this thread.<br />
First of all reading again the review of concert in Shenzhen (original post of Lawrence) I think that his description is not really accurate. My solo set was perfect for me - I did not have any problems with my computer or anything. But I had problem in my collaborative set with Dickson - my computer just stopped playing - location module error (could not find sound manager). It has got nothing to do with my patch. Just some spooky system error - these things sometimes happen and nobody can explain why.<br />
Generally I must say that I have computer crashes on maybe 5 out of each 100 concerts I do and I think this is a very good ratio. Actually if I count all the sets (solo and collaborations) - I did something like 30 concerts in China until now and had problems with my computer only 2 times. It is uncorrect to say that brevity of my sets is caused by my computer - it&#8217;s bullshit - brevity of my sets is caused by my decisions. I do crash sometimes because I always do things in real time on stage and when one does it, ONE TAKES RISKS. I think that maybe Christiaan does not have much contact with people who are willing to take risk in concert situations. The big problem with all laptop performers now is that 99 procent of them play only soundfiles (pure playback) which is totally safe and totally boring. They do not even need to be onstage - could just as well send cd and have somebody press play button on cd player. These playback musicians do not need to perform with computers at all because the only thing they use on computer is space bar. If you gonna go and hear some people who do things onstage with computers In Reak Time (like Peter Rehberg, Florian Hecker, Kasper T Toeplitz, Helmut Schaeffer etc) you will see some crashes. It is just inevitable.<br />
Finally - my processor is 500 MHz fast and all my patches are designed for this speed. If I had G4 with 1.6 Gigaherz processor I would ask programmers to develop patches for this speed. So using newer and faster machine absolutely does not reduce any risk. In fact my old G3 has much less crashes then many of my friends who use latest G4 models. I just do not think Christiaan that you understand these things and you should not comment on something you do not understand. It is quite ignorant attitude.</p>
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